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Star Theory: Elden Ring outer gods and the 'nature of the universe'

(I'm feeling particularly neurotic so you're suffering with me)

SO, in case you aren't aware, which is entirely possible i barely knew of it before, but stars have life cycles! Which is weird, right? And the fact that it's never brought up in Elden Ring despite the fact there's this sense that Markia and everyone is supposed to be old as hell? And there's an entire academy dedicated to learning of the stars?

Well, dear reader, do I have the explanation for you! This will be long winded, so bear with me! And if there's someone who's already done this, you should probably listen to them instead!

first and foremost, stars are made up of conflicting forces, gravity pushing in, heat pushing out. But, to keep things more poetic, and in line with the whole fantasy aspect of elden ring, let's call it the Devouring aspect and the Creation aspect. Gravity creates pressure, trying to devour itself, but creates it's own feed to feast upon. Easy to follow?

As such, everything exists in perpetuity, creating itself and living in cycles? Or more importantly, every action has its equal opposite reaction. Life begets death, so on so forth. So everything lives in duality, having one part of itself necessary to oppose to creat more of it.

now, that's just how a star works, but there's more than one type of star, and thus life cycles.

this is a more rudimentary visual, but it gets the point across, alright?

Quick to start, let's cover backstory (or at least what I assume the backstory is) of the One Great, Greater Will, and what not for a quick understanding. But keep the visual in mind!

First, we can safely (?) assume that the One Great from Hyetta's dialog is likely in reference to the big bang in some capacity, so that's the beginning of the universe covered. One Greats dead, created everything, blah blah blah.

Next! As said in something about the glinstone sorcerer Azur(?) he witnessed the Greater Will's death, where it likely then became a Black Hole (the mass death of stars around it?) [Comet Azur and the Primeval Current is likely in reference to the nature of the expanding universe, akin to how water spreads out from a droplet of water, just on a mass scale i guess, given it almosg looks like rushing water to me]

Wverything after that and during when the Greater Will was up and running? no idea, not really important for my argument anyways.

So where does that leave Metyr and Elden Beast? Well, Metyr has the Neutron star attack, and given that she's the prodigal daughter of a dead god, it seems like she witnessed at least some of the death maybe? Or is at least aware of the 'end' of gods in something capacity, maybe. Elden Beast however seem more like stabilized core of a star given its veins of gold, and given that the Greater Will was a God of Order, it makes sense that at least one of them seems somewhat stable. (Sorry Metyr)

On to the outer gods and the necessity of duality!

As you can see, there are multiple forms of stars! Red and Yellow as main focal, with maybe othefs?

So! Let's start with the obvious,

The Blood Star- red? Check. Small or large? Eh. Formless Mother? What?

As I said about duality, and stars, one begets the other. The Devouring agent and the Creation agent.

Specifically, let's take a quick detour through religious inspiration. And I'm gonna make this quick.

*There is this belief that a whole being is made up two people, one masculine one feminine. Greeks had it in the creation mythos of man, and there's probably a Buddah or two that have the same shtick, unfortunately I'm not overly familiar with that game, but you get my point.

And in some eastern beliefs, i believe Taoism, there is a dichotomy between the masculine and feminine. One physical and other spiritual, repectively*

Point is, if stars can represent outer gods, and a whole being is made up of two. Than it's likey that Devouring agent and Creation agent have their respective gods conjoined into one star but still separate identities! (So Marika and Radagon?)

-The easiest outer gods to apply this logic to are the ones I mentioned up top, The Blood Star and Formless Mother. Both deal in blood, one masculine and demanding sacrifice of blood in the physical, with the whole history of blind prisoners. while the Formless Mother 'asks' for blood with 'promises' of something in return, a bargain like upping Mohgs wings to a latger size, and has a more creation aspect given the Mother moniker. As well as 'gifting' her blood to people, such as Mohg, and a piece of her flesh in the DLC blood fiends cult cave place that they apparently ate. Perharps, some kind of desire to be devoured in the sense of missing a whole part of the self where life is born from death? Through the pressure of the star then creating heat?

-Next would be: The Rot! I think that with the whole Lake of Rot being a more red-red color, it was defeated by the blind swordsman(? right?) when it was in its masculine phase, and then switched over into the more feminine side, trying to spread it's influence through any means necessary as a dying star! Thus taking on a more pinker color through Romina's bud, being 'born anew' by it in some capacity and also seemingly taking nest in feminine figures, Romina and Melania! (Also through Milicent being 'born' of Melania through odd means?)

-The Twin Birds would likely be a blue star in some capacity, likely quite large given that they represent death and all that. However, that's as far as I can get really. And death has its whole thing going on with Godwyn as well and I just don't wanna touch it.

-The Fell God and The God Devoring Serphant (Not the Abyssal Serphant) are kind of intertwined due to proximity, and the giants forge having serphants on it. As well as Rykard and Eiglay being in a volcano, as opposed to the giants forge being on a mountain top surrounded by snow. Life, Death. Fire, Ice. Duality, ya know?

-The Abyssal Serphant likely exists in duality to the One Great rather than something more simple, which is why it snake imagery slips into everything despite everything being born of the One Great. Abyssal Serphant devours, the One Great, creates. Not specifically a star, but it's good to get it out of the way now real quick. But will show up later! And it's similar to Dark Souls!

-The Frenzied Flame, the big doozey. You know how I said everything exists in duality? Well, what better way for duality to exist then for duality to be dual in itself? If you want 2, you can't just have the single number, you need two! So why not 2 and 3? Confused yet? Duality needs duality to be duality. As such, Order is Chaos. That easy.

-The Greater Will and The Frenzied Flame, are two sides of the same coin. Creating order, the other wanting to burn it all down. A microcosm of the One Great and The Abyssal Serphant pretty much. The first wanting to continually exist in perpetuity creating, the other a harbinger of the end itself. Heat death of the universe pretty much, i guess.

-The moons?

I don't wanna talk about the moons. In our guiding stars very own lordly words, Count Ymir, they are simply the closest celestial bodies. (I'm lying)

Okay so what's up with tem? Are they gods? No? Then what are they? If they are gods, then why isn't there a god of the Lands Between? It's a terrestrial body isn't it? If the moon is like greek myth, the titan Selene, where is Gaia?

Well, that's where Marika (and Radagon) come in. So, as we learned in the DLC, a god requires a lord, and when we finish the main game, unless we choose Ranni's ending, we become Marika's consort. So, perhaps it's something similar to such? The necessity of duality?

-My leading theory, with everything else already explained, is that maybe the Greater Will was an outer god, killed Placidsaxes god? In some way? And then needed some kind of 'vessel' to keep the lands intact and in order. Thus, Marika. The chosen Empyrian. (The Gloam Eyed Queen is likely another Abyssal Serphant coming up through the cracks of creation, in opposition to the One Great/Greater Will 'lineage'? It's another microcosm)

-But then Radagon? How? well, if a god requires two forces acting against each other, makes sense that he's the masculine force to Marikas feminine and spiritual, whole shaman thing, side. Thus creating a whole god, but yet only one i regarded as a god, with Radagon yet to become her; in that famous line Melina tells us.

-But then Ranni? And Miquella? Well, Miquella got his consort, and divested himself of his femininity; when it likely made him a true god in the first place or at least the empyrian in the lead to godship, but we kill him so who knows.

And Ranni is backed by the moon. And I don't wanna talk about the stupid moons and her four arms. She divested herself of her flesh anyways, so who knows!

-The shadow bound beasts aren't even really fleshed out, Miquella doesn't seem to have one, so I'm not sure where they stand in all this. Maybe they really are just failsafes and Miquella didn't need one because he wasn't going in a drastic direction according to the Greater Will (technically Metyr but whatevs)

yeah and I think that's it. thanks for reading!

like rochambeau but without the chambeau and with a g

I like this noise: Rogh

My brother and his weird friends just showed up to my realm. AITA if I ask them to leave?

I’ve had no contact with my family for years (not my choice). Until yesterday, when my younger brother showed up to my kingdom of exiles. He’s okay, he kinda looks like our mom so it’s cool. I don’t know the group of misfits with him though. They’re obsessed with my brother and are just ignoring me. It’s super awkward. AITA if I ask my brother to make them leave?

Update 1: My brother cut off his arm in my library.

Update 2: My brother’s friends are trying to use my flesh to start a fire.

Update 3: I will not suffer a lord devoid of light.

pretty sure i could romanticise anything, i am deeply delusional.

so far, this is as much as I have for a type of map of the city. the main tower is supposed to be bigger, not everything is really drawn to size

would this technically count towards spoilers?

Dear Person Reading This

If I tagged you, then I really hope you reblog this for your followers. I’m not doing it for attention, I’m doing it because even I needed this letter.

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Dear person reading this,

You’re amazing. And I’m going to give you every reason on why. So throughout this entire thing, just listen. It’s going to get cheesy, and you’re going to feel like scrolling to skip to another point. But don’t, let everything sink in slowly so that you realize it’s true.

If you manage to get through the entire thing without believing it at the end, then I want you to read through it again. Read it so many times that you’re mocking it. And then read it once more. Believe that it’s all true, and maybe you’ll feel confident, even if it’s just a little while.

Dear person reading this, you’re beautiful. I know you don’t see it, especially at the dark times when the light is just too far. But other people do, even if it’s just the tiniest thing like a nose scrunch, or how your face concentrates.

As I’ve read once before, you’ve never seen your expressions in the most beautiful moments. When you receive good news, that makes your heart swell with joy. How your eyes light up when you talk about something you enjoy. When you laugh, and how it sounds like music to the person that likes you. Hell, even when you’re down in the dumps, and you truly believe like you’re having the worst day for everything, someone, even if it’s just one person, thinks you’re beautiful.

Dear person reading this, you’re talented. If you can’t do any of the arts, that’s fine. You don’t have to be good at doing plays, writing, drawing or playing music. If you’re not good at any schoolwork, that’s fine. You have that other special thing that you do constantly. If you don’t play sports, then that’s great too. You don’t have to.

If your art doesn’t turn out to what you want it to look like—speaking to all art forms—just remember, when you’re showing it to someone, they didn’t have that same idea in your head. They’re seeing it for the first time! To them, it’s like gold, even though to you it’s just bronze painted gold.

Dear person reading this, you’re incredibly smart. In or out of school. You’re smart, you manage to navigate the world every single day! You’re learning things you didn’t even realize! Hell, you’re even mastering some of them!

If you’re in school, and you can’t keep certain grades up even though you’re trying, don’t worry about it. As long as you tried your absolute hardest—even if it isn’t that much!—you tried. And you get to say that you did. But, don’t use those grades against yourself. They don’t define you, don’t let them define you.

Dear person reading this, you’re loved beyond your control. No matter what situation you’re in at the moment, there’s always someone that loves you. I’m one of them! I don’t even know you and I already know you’re amazing!

Every single day someone thinks of you at least once and they smile to themselves. If it isn’t your parents, then it’s your friends. If it isn’t your friends, it’s some random kid that looks at you during the day every day to make sure you’re there. Your friends who text you, on any social media platform. Anyone who likes or follows you, retweets or reblogs, comments or DMS you, there’s always someone thinking about you.

Dear person reading this, you have potential. I know you don’t see it right now, or if you do, then great. But there’s always something directing you on the path for a reason. If you need to reach your dreams, then reach far, because I know you can! I believe in you, other people believe in you! You can do it.

Dear person reading this, you and everything you do, is valid! Your daily routine of doing your hair or picking out clothes. Not eating your vegetables, doodling when you should be working, anything.

Why? Because you’re unique. What kind of person would you be if you followed in someone’s steps directly? Spice it up if you don’t feel like you’re as valid as I say you are!

Dear person reading this, stop saving things to use at the “perfect time”. I hate to break it to you, but that time is never coming. Summer body saving for next year? Do it now. Wear the new clothes you just bought! Wash them later.

If you try and save it for something special, and all these events are passing you by, you’re missing out. There’s no perfect time to do it, then now. Eat the chocolate bar! But show self-control by saving some of it for later. Show discipline but not enough to bring yourself down.

Dear person reading this, go easy on yourself. If you’re too hard, then you’re going to do some mental damage. Go slow, you don’t have to pressure yourself.

Dear person reading this, change doesn’t happen all at once, give it some time. I know you want it to happen overnight, but they weren’t wrong when they said practice makes perfect.

Dear person reading this, I hope you’re well. Did you drink your water? Eat your food? Take a shower? Your medicine? I hope you did, stay healthy. Don’t let your body deteriorate at all, take care of it as much as you can.

Dear person reading this, I wish you the best. I hope that life gives you the best, I hope you get everything you want in life and more. I hope that you become successful, you deserve it.

Dear person reading this, do whatever you have to do to get through life. Just don’t harm yourself in the process. Don’t leave the world early. Stay for the ride even if it’s bumpy, if you have to get off and walk around the bumps, then do it.

Dear person reading this, you’re absolutely perfect to me. In every aspect that I’ve described and more. You’re the world to some. You’re the world to me. Be gentle with yourself.

Signed,

A lost girl that needs to take care of herself.

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This is a message for you wonderful people! I love you, read the message and feel powerful.

Do you know why batman doesn't have a police badge?

Because he doesn't kill people

If Time as a personification exists, then time itself, its power, is constantly working like a passive ability inside of the stories, right? so when Time goes into the stories to fuck around, time doesn’t technically stop immediately? right? so then, time keeps on moving, since Time is very much out of practice, never started really on controlling it. But keeps on moving forward, like a waterfall! so then it doesn’t stop unless made to by Time. 

Times power works in that she,. i’ll just make her take on a feminine form for the sake of convenience., can reverse it, speed it up, and slow it down. She technically has a deal with Space, Mass, and Gravity (the science nerds) where she can use a form of slowing down a persons inertia through space, along with the fact that gravity and mass is being controlled, and mass wouldn’t exactly exist without gravity, I think? so then theres that, which calls into question when that deal got brokered and why. That should be when the big bang happened right? [wow im just starting to realise what a hole ive dug for myself. keep digging i guess] 

So then thats how the power kind of works as a basis at least. then powers obviously don’t work outside of the stories due to other personifications technically exist outside of time, even though she happened first, outside of chaos, so shes the older sister figure, even though she acts like the youngest and is pretty much treated as such.

Nothing can really exist without a perception of time. You wouldn’t know how long you’ve been alive, nor really know if you’re dead. without a perception of time, everything loses meaning. while yes, everyone lives in the present and that is unchangeable. to completely understand anything about yourself, you have your past, your perception of your self, and what you think of the future. everything is based off a sense of perception. on how you perceive the world. and that leads from a sense of time. a perception of it.

So, when Time goes into the story, time continues ticking and doesn’t stop. Unless I wanna write it in that time skips for a moment, to give the villain a tip off. but that calls into question why the villain would be unaffected by a primordial deity know as Time itself. Probably scrap that. So time continues uninterrupted. pushes the guy out the crows nest. and onto the story.

Now, it probably makes more sense to have some kind of human form that she usually keeps on hand, every personification would then to make more sense for the Death scene, so then she pops out of nowhere in front of the pirate and confuses the hell out of him and, pretty much makes him go splat on the deck. No witnesses ya know? right after that, she discorporate her form and disappears into thin air, nothing but a floating consciousness. 

The poor little guy was part of the original captains crew, just got the job actually, and had magic sticky feet that made it so it shouldn’t have made it possible for him to fall. he falls right in front of his original captain, almost falling on him. The original captain, protagonist #1, is currently tied to the mast of his own ship after being commandeered by a pirate. That pirate then got the ship commandeered by another pirate, dressed in a blue royal fleet coat, who is our second protagonist. Yada yada yada, banter happens that oh so conveniently tells us that this is the second commandeering. Little mishaps will now happen on the ship due to Time wanting to see what they will do.

Maybe a mishap should be that Time pauses time to find out where she can procure a sea monster to mess with the boat and solidify the protagonists places as protagonists in the story.

happy Thursday the 20th