Okay that’s your interpretation I guess and I do see how you can see that in some scenes. Buts that completely ignoring a few episodes ago where mason says you can’t take pain unless you care meaning Theo wouldn’t have been physically able to take Gabe’s pain unless he felt some type of empathy for Gabe in the scene showing a moment of growth. And while you could say Theo just decided not to take masons pain. wouldn’t that have been better cause he gets points with mason for helping him and also would get points with Liam for helping his best friend. Then theirs the fact that Theo didn’t have to help the pack anymore, they didn’t have anything on him to control him, they had broken the sword. He was helping cause he wanted to and while you could say it was manipulation if he truly was still evil he wouldn’t have put himself at risk cause he ultimately would put himself first he wouldn’t drag Liam’s unconscious body cause, that would have been too risky for him or with the ghost riders he would have done what he said and just have left Liam to be captured and get out of town but he still helped and put himself at risk. Also in season 5 he was shown to try to corrupt the pack to try and get them to be darker like him which is why he got stiles to kill Donovan, yet in season 6 he actively stops Liam from killing twice and even gives him advice on his anger, and unlike stiles where it’s in self defense with Liam they would have been full on murder yet he stops him.
Ultimately Theo’s character is kinda ambiguous cause they barely give us anything of his past and what they do give us can interpreted in different ways. This is why a lot of people have different views on Theo so you can’t just say everybody else but you is wrong when theirs things in the show to explicitly show his redemption. But you can still see it as manipulation cause of how his character his. But that’s more to the person but most including I see it as him growing and becoming better.
sorry but this has to be said because i?? can't understand how some people can't seem to fucking grasp that theo taking gabe's pain was NOT character development, and consequently don't understand that therefore it was also NOT genuine??? theo has NEVER fucking shown an ounce of authentic care that was not driven by his own self-interest/desire. he would both do AND say anything to get closer to scott, even AFTER killing him. if given the opportunity, he would do it AGAIN. you think theo wasn't fully aware of the opportunity that presented itself in that situation? WHO did he have the easiest access to that looked up to and trusted scott the most? LIAM. if theo could have a display of "growth" in front of liam, that literally EQUATES to building credibility and trust with SCOTT. word gets around, no one in beacon hills shuts the fuck up about the things they witness. you can't tell me liam wouldn't relay this information to scott, that theo didn't absolutely KNOW that everyone in a thousand mile radius would know how "he'd changed/grown/whatever the fuck." and i don't know how much louder i can say this, BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THIS LIFE THAT CANNOT BE REDEEMED, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT REDEMPTION. theo is inherently INCAPABLE of being saved. there's no amount of love, of communication, and no amount of trust that will alter his chemical make up. theo's environment has NEVER be one of safety, and he has NEVER been driven morally to do the right thing. he doesn't CARE when he does the wrong thing as long as it gains him POWER. how many times did he willingly show he did not have any regard for anyone he hurt when it actually came down to it? how many times did he LIE? how many times did he lead people to think he cared WHEN HE DIDN'T? how FAR was he willing to go and how CALLOUS was he when people finally realized what he was doing? and the sheer amount of posts saying "i'm so proud of theo," and "look how much he's grown" make me CRINGE because it's so apparent the blatant lack of understanding of his character. i absolutely PRAY that none of you have encountered or will encounter someone like theo in your life, because those are the type of people who destroy EVERY BIT of you who are, remove you from yourself, strip you of all your prior beliefs, and ruin EVERYTHING they touch. STOP MISTAKING WELL-EXECUTED AND CONTINUED MANIPULTION FOR GROWTH.
I think it's a combination of things
1. The first being Hayden's death Theo put the idea in Liam's head that if Scott were to bite Hayden she would live but Scott refused to do so, so then Theo put the idea that if Liam could become an alpha he could save Hayden
2.the fact that Liam was a werewolf with ied on a super moon while his girlfriend was dying, werewolves already have anger issues and can get violent when angry, so Liam having ied just makes his anger even worse than the average werewolf would also we've seen how werewolves especially more newer ones act on the full moon liam in season 5 was still having issues with control but it wasnt just a full moon it was a super moon which is even worse then add on to the fact that his girlfriend is dying then yeah liam has a lot going on in his head, then you have theo who sees all this happening in liams head and puts the idea in liam to kill scott giving liam a way to not only save his girlfriend but a place to direct his anger at
It's kinda what masons says the next episode that while Liam is partially at fault their were to many circumstances.
(also sidenote I don't know if this is kinda messed up to say but I kinda get why Liam was so angry at Scott, Scott had a possible way of saving Hayden Scott said he couldn't cause she could die from it but she was already dying , like she was gonna die either way but at least by biting her she has a chance. I'm not saying that to justify Liam's actions obviously not nor am I saying this to hate on Scott I actually really like Scott and I do kinda get why Scott didn't bite her I just think he should have taken the risk)
how did Theo get into Liam's head? How did he manipulate him to almost kill Scott? were those short conversations we see on the show really all it took?
I was going through the thiam tag to find a fic and I found one just called “I hate Scott McCall” and the tags and things they wrote were just hating on Scott I decided to skim through it and they don’t have any actual reason to hate Scott they just make shit up to give them a reason to or they say they don’t agree with his morals which I was always like what morals not wanting to kill people like they sound so dumb like Scott’s a teenager who’s had to put his life on the line multiple times of course he’s gonna make a few mistakes and he’s not the only one yet they focus on him only
the popularity of the "bad friend scott mccall" tag even before season 5 is insane to me because uhhhh did we all forget motel california or smth?
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Day 1-pre canon- it could be a scene from his childhood,one from right before he came to become hills you decide.
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How Theo,Scott, and Stiles become bestfriends
agreed except I also view Nolan as ace I read one fanfic with it and now i headcanon it
how I perceive the puppy packs sexuality’s
if you agree or disagree, I’d love to hear your own thoughts or your own headcanons!
yes I like to consider Gwen in the puppy pack, i hc that her and Hayden got together. I also wanted to include Brett & Lori so bad because I like to pretend they didn’t dieeee
There’s also an episode where after a few episodes of the couples being grouped together they break them all apart like for a few episodes Scalia and money are all grouped together as well as Liam and Theo and then when they break the couples up they also break apart thiam having Liam go with Scott and Theo with mason every other time thiam is together but suddenly when all ships are separated so is thiam
Coincidence I think not!!!!
Thinking about the fact that in the last ep of TW when Monroe was defeated, all the canon couples were seen together.
We saw every single one:
-Morey in the hospital
-Stydia and Scalia in the library
-even Jackson and Ethan in the locker room.
So it’s interesting to me that the directors and writers really decided to show Theo and Liam together too, when they could’ve easily shown Liam by himself talking into the radio.
Why show Theo standing behind him?
It’s just more proof that they were meant to a canon couple idc what anyone says.
Honestly I kinda agree and disagree cause I do wish they were Canon but your so right the ending of teen wolf (not including the movie cause I don’t count that as canon) is such a perfect set up for thiam fanfic the show ends on a cliffhanger so if people want a villain or a treat people can use Monroe but also the way their relationship was left is perfect for different interpretations when writing them some people can write as still hating eachother and have a slow burn or write them at the point that their friends and their both single so you won’t have to find an explanation to break them up with any canon couple
Unpopular opinion but I’m glad Thiam isn’t canon, and not because I think they shouldn’t be because I obviously ship it and I’m obsessed. But the best ao3 fanfiction there is in the world will come from ships that aren’t canon. I think it gives the fan base a wider range of what could’ve been. It leaves the end of canon to be open to interpretation and because of that so many amazing stories have been created. I don’t know about y’all but personally, I enjoy the building of the relationship the most (which Theo and Liam need because they both have to accept their feelings and challenge their opinions on one another). I truly believe these two deserve a build up of their relationship that couldn’t have been fully explored in canon (at least in season 6) and I’m happy that this community has been able to come up with better story lines than Jeff Davis is even capable of. Anyways, that’s my rant.
Teen wolf is definitely one of my top favorite shows but it’s definitely not a good show like I love it but it’s a mess and I actually prefer the fanfics people make of the show rather then the actual show itself
if there’s one aspect i could criticize about the writing of teen wolf it’s the in depth backstories of each character only to never talk about it again or develop it any further.
liam’s ied and past school? only used as a prop to further the plot and create conflict (angry man go punch!)
isaac’s abuse and claustrophobia? only mentioned/showed how it effects him one time outside flashbacks (motel california)
theo’s growing up and manipulation with the dread doctors? never mentioned, only lightly brushed over in incoherent flashbacks (yes it shows him being guilty for taking tara’s heart, but not the dread doctors effect on him and torture for him to get where he was)
stiles’ nogitsune trauma? only brought up as a joke after the fact (“i once had a demon living in my head LOL”
derek hale’s past with grooming by kate? only used to show they know each other, not why what she did was wrong or harmful (doesn’t show the harmful nature of grooming and how derek’s trust would be forever altered because of kate’s abuse of his)
malia living like a coyote for the first ?17? years of her life because she “killed” her own family? “omg you can’t take her anywhere! she likes to eat deer🤣🤣”
allison’s mom killing herself cause she’d rather be anything but a werewolf? mentioned maybe a couple times afterwords
it seems as though they attempt to make the characters deep and thought-out but toss aside the trauma they have given them in order to further the new villian of the week and constant conflict. sometimes i wish that the characters made decisions in conjunction with their prior trauma or showed symptoms of how these events effected them because it’s no secret that they would. i understand that it’s a lot to ask for a super precise and detailed description of how every character is feeling, but with 24 episodes a season, tossing in a couple reflective scenes couldn’t have hurt. i fear that their constant need to one-up their villains took away from the personality and characterization of the show as it kept running.
(this is why i love this fandom so much, because yall do! thank you to the writers who write realistic ptsd or lingering effects of major events)
ok i’m done now thank you @thiamsxbitch for inspiring this rant
You know I’ve really been in the mode for some demon Theo(supernatural demons specifically) fics I’ve started watching supernatural and I find the concept of the demons so interesting I’ve only read one fic with this premise
But I’m not sure if it will ever get updated so if anyone would want to write something like this I would be really happy I would try myself but I don’t have the skills just putting the idea out their
Also thiam of course
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