Have You Thought That. The Sdr2 Characters Gave Up Their Talent Bc They Use It For Despair While They

The reason why the Strawhats aren’t here it’s because Zoro got lost in the underground and the rest are searching for him

And so, we reach the end of the mini-comic…3 weeks after Christmas. ^^; Still, I hope everyone’s year has been going alright, so far.

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You know the more I play and replay Danganronpa, the more incredibly out-of-pocket it seems that the series ended on Naegi becoming the Principal of Hopes’ Peak Academy????  We’re ignoring V3 right now.  I’m just talking mainline continuity.

Like, even ignoring all the crimes against humanity that the academy perpetrated or that their ever-growing pursuit of talent helped Junko bring about the end of the world, reopening Hope’s Peak goes against the core message of the games???

Makoto may be the “Ultimate Hope” and the “Ultimate Lucky Student,” but in his heart and in reality, he’s just an average kid who won a lottery.  The fact he ISN’T special and yet becomes the savior of the world as his Super High School Level Classmates fall into despair around him is what makes him a great protagonist for the franchise!  To attend Hope’s Peak you have to be scouted, but no one in the before-times was ever going to recognize an extraordinary ability to remain positive!  The point of Makoto’s character is that people have talents that aren’t going to be recognized as useful or explementary, but they’re just as important to the survival of humanity as those who make ground-breaking discoveries or legendary artistic pieces.  

It’s not a coincidence that every main character in the franchise (up to V3) was a “regular” person: Makoto, Hinata, Komaru.  They may not be “special,” but they still do great things, because every human has the ability to make a difference in their world!

And it’s not just the main characters, because Ishimaru even states he hates being labeled as special, because he believes that “ordinary” people who work hard are the true Ultimates in society.  And in Ultra Despair Girls, Toko takes offense at Komaru saying she doesn’t understand weakness, because by being “special” it makes her strong.  Taking literally one thing a person excels at and making it their entire identity ignores the actual strengths and weaknesses that all humans have.  Additionally, it discourages people from finding those strengths within themselves as Komaru was always so quick to try and give up and use her status as “normal” as an excuse to run away and not try.  

On the other side of things, characters like Byakuya used their status as an excuse to hurt those that were “beneath” them.  He manipulated crime scenes and was a just a general douche to literally everyone, because he thought he was better than them.  By creating a society of stratification based on talent or wealth or whatever else, you are creating a society that is ripe to justify inequality and unfair treatment.  

And going back to those crimes against humanity, it is the drive to become “great” when you’re not that spearheaded all those human experiments and mistreatments and treating humans like a game character to level up instead of a person to be treated with respect no matter their ability.  

The fact that all of this was just ignored and that the series sort of turned its back on its very ethos in the last leg of the franchise is just baffling to me.  

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Is it weird that I actually prefer DR3’s explanation for how Chiaki was created over DR2 implying that Chihiro created Chiaki? It more sense to have the memories Class 77-B have for Chiaki, be used as basis for which an Observer can be built from.

And while Chihiro creating an Alter Ego ai for the NWP makes sense (a completely separate Alter Ego from the one he eventually makes in DR1) I don’t really buy Chihiro is able to create three separate ai’s with distinct personalities and roles for the NWP. Especially since Chiaki and Usami are therapy ai and Chihiro definitely doesn’t have any therapeutic knowledge.

Plus, making three ai’s a lot of work for just one person and this isn’t a project he owns, he’s only collaborating with the development along with many other people so I imagine Chihiro would only be here to develop the Alter Ego ai and the development of an Observer system would be handled by other people.

I personally believe "Alter Ego" is just multiple copies of a single A.I. program — once that we happen to see put to work in a variety of different situations/ways.

But other than that, I think I can generally agree with you. Maybe not for the exact same reasons, but I still agree with your concluesions.

I understand that we're supposed to believe Fujisaki, Gekkogahara, and Matsuda all worked together to develop the Neo World Program. That's why we see Gekkogahara's personal avatar, Usami, working as a therapeutic A.I. program within the NWP. But once you have Fujisaki developing Alter Ego (based on themselves) and then co-developing Usami (based on Gekkogahara), the thing about the Chiaki is: Why would Chihiro develop two separate therapy A.I.s for the same program? And then, despite basing their previous A.I.s on specific people, how and/or why would Chihiro create a third A.I. that somehow has its own completely unique, distinct personality that ISN'T based on anybody else?

For those reasons, I think the justification for Chiaki's uniqueness and distinct function given in DR3 is actually better than going without those explanations.

Why do you think Makoto using the NWP was the wrong thing to do? The despair states class 77-b were in was objectively bad and self destructive and removing them so they back to normal should be a good thing. Also I wouldn’t say what Makoto is doing with the NWP isn’t more brainwashing, it’s deprogramming.

I've talked a bit about my hatred for NWP and how it is used in DR2 here, but it really comes down to this:

Forcibly removing people's memories to make them better people is not the correct answer.

Forcibly removing people's memories and reverting them back to a previous state and then rewriting over those memories with new ones is not the right answer.

Especially when you take DR3 into account and that Makoto etc. didn't know about the brainwashing video or when the Remnants fell to despair, they're just making best guess scenarios and wiping out all of their time at Hope's Peak, which effectively means they are wiping out their memories of real Chiaki and replacing them with DR2!therapybot!Chiaki, which is NOT the correct answer, no matter how you slice it.

The end of DR3 is very good about this - you don't make people better by removing the bad thing. You don't make things better by removing the memories of your past, even if they're memories you regret or hate or don't want to ever address again ever. Those memories are still there. They're still important.

Removing memories is not an effective or even good way of deprogramming people who are brainwashed.

Makoto's luck kicked into full gear with all the stuff that happened in DR2 and the shutdown and getting the Remnants as we see them in DR3, which is not a result of them having their memories removed. They still have their memories and are able to recover.

And yeah. Brainwashing is maybe a stretch (it's Junko's word for it, after all) - but they are reaching into a group of people's heads and mucking around with their brains and making choices for who they want them to be and how they want them to be that way (no, no, you can't be Remnants, so we will remove everything that led to that development and make you into someone we want by meddling with your brain)....

Sounds a bit like brainwashing.

Not the way Junko did it, for sure.

Still sounds a bit like brainwashing.

Girl's got a point.

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...I dunno. That would kind of make Makoto a bit of a hypocrite. If we're being completely honest, Nagito was probably one of the least destructive Remnants in terms of personal body-count. Makoto giving everyone else a free pass, including Sonia who would have been committing atrocities as a head of state, and then singling out Nagito because one of the people he hurt was someone close to Makoto personally would be petty as hell.

Uh… No it wouldn’t?

Makoto didn’t give all the remnants a “free pass” he’s saving them from the brainwashing that Junko put on them so they no longer are ultimate despairs. He’s fully aware of their crimes but that doesn’t matter to him. It doesn’t matter to the entire world. The entire world will still see them as monsters, Makoto’s opinion on their crimes isn’t relevant.

I never said Makoto fully hates and does not forgive Nagito. What I said was that Makoto would feel uncomfortable if the topic of Komaru was brought up in the same room with Nagito. It would remind Makoto of what happened to his sister in UDG and how the Warriors of Hope, the Monokuma units and even Nagito all put Komaru’s life at risk. I think Makoto would be perfectly fine with talking to Nagito about literally anything, other than Komaru.

And sure, maybe Nagito did cause the least amount of deaths compared to everyone else. But he directly endangered the most important person to Makoto. His sister. His only family that he knows that is still alive.

If you think just think that someone having resentment for another person that actively caused harm to that person’s family is petty? Then I think you just given yourself away, replicant human.