Reblog To Reblog From The Person You've Reblogged From

reblog to reblog from the person you've reblogged from

More Posts from Sillyruinscloud and Others

2 years ago

I can barely contain myself right now

holy shit

I Can Barely Contain Myself Right Now

HOLY SHIT

5 months ago

Reblog this if you want a slightly ominous compliment in your inbox

4 years ago
sillyruinscloud - Emer4ld

Achilles x Patroclus Explained: for anyone who needs it plainly mapped out for them one more time.

The Iliad:

-Most obviously there is a Special Relationship between Achilles x Patroclus

-Achilles and Patroclus share a Bed & Tent, Patroclus also does all the  “domestic” work for the 2 of them on top of being a soldier

-”But he had Briseis who he was going to marry”, despite only bragged about her because she was a war prize taken by Agamemnon thus taking his honor, he was “locker room talking for the boys” when in reality he had no sexual contact/dimension/relationship with her yet. He also knew the prophecy he wasn’t coming back from Troy so this is one of two reasons we can say that they have no plans together, (see bullet point one for second reason) and then later he wishes Artemis had killed her way back when they were raiding cities. It is also inferable that Patroclus had planted this seed of thought in her mind to put her at ease with Achilles as well as protect his honor because Patroclus is always there for Achilles (Achilles does take Briseis into his bed in Book 24 but again totally as a spoil of war… she is a conquest not a lover)

-Greeks know Achilles will only listen to Patroclus, Especially Nestor who goes to Patroclus to persuade Achilles to re-enter the fight

-When Achilles receives Patroclus’s body his first thought is to end himself with a sword because he does not want to live in a world without Patroclus

-Achilles’s rage at the death of Patroclus and wishing he had let all the Greeks die and they conquered Troy together

-Refusal to eat & sleep while weeping for days on end in bed with Patroclus’s body

-Andromache’s speech about Hector, forsaking all her other loved ones for her husband, aka her one true love and then Achilles giving the almost exact same speech right after about Patroclus his “beloved”

-Achilles kills Hector (Gods even fear his rage and that such emotion could cause war to end before prophesied) aka Achilles could change fate because he so “grieved” for Patroclus - totally homies right?!

-Achilles drags Hectors body from his chariot damaging and defiling the corpse for days; Angering the gods, to which he doesn’t care

-Thetis then comes to Achilles, to which he wants none of her comfort, during their conversation she also has to suggest AND specify for him to now have sex with a woman and maybe find a wife before his life is over (why does she have to specify “woman” & who/what was keeping him from getting a wife)

-Achilles tosses and turns sleeplessly (body of Patroclus is still kept in his bed) and he longs for Patroclus’s “μένος” (menos) which in ancient greek translates to “Might - Manhood - Vigor - Semen” plainly speaking “Spunk” (both kinds!)

-Achilles reaches to embrace the ghost of Patroclus when he appears before him - desiring to physically touch 

-Achilles plays the role of the woman and/or wife of the deceased when they burn Patroclus’s body on the funeral pyre and then collects the ashes himself and puts them in the golden urn. Achilles then charges the men to do the same to him when he dies putting his ashes in the same golden urn and burying them together so that they will physically be together for all eternity - which does happen

-LITERALLY ACHILLES x PATROCLUS

image
image
image

Most Ancient Greeks, Shakespeare, Artists & Intellectuals:

ACTUAL Greek Artwork from 500 BCE (currently resides on display in Germany)

-There is no reference to this moment in any record or story. In this depiction Achilles wraps Patroclus’s arm while he sits between his open legs, and Patroclus lets his dick hang out, while Achilles’s is visible as well, super intimate for “bros”

image

-Later greeks assumed or imagined their relationship as Pederastic (An older “erastes” lover & an “eromenos” younger beloved) because that was the norm of that period but no one could definitely decide who was the top and who was the bottom 

**SIDE NOTE They do not have an age gap to support the Pederastic Theory AND after the pederastic relationship ended the men involved married women which we know neither Achilles nor Patroclus had nor plans to do

-Plato totally thought Achilles was a Bottom in his “Symposium” 

-Aeschylus (the literal inventor of Greek Tragedy) portrayed Achilles & Patroclus as lovers in his lost play “The Myrmidons” which was based on The Iliad. Surviving lines from the play are of Achilles speaking of “Patroclus’s Reverent Company, his thighs, and being ungrateful for many kisses”

-345 BCE = Athenian politician, Aeschines states in a speech during his trial that Homer didn’t have to say what they were because 1. the Greeks were more sexually fluid then 2. there wasn’t a word for “Homosexual” 3. Homer was a storyteller and ANY educated man knew what they were, like its THAT obvious

-Alexander the Great and his lover Haphaestion (this is a whole other can of worms still being fought) liked to think of themselves, and referred to each other as “Achilles & Patroclus”

-Shakespeare features the two in his play “Troilus and Cressida” in which Patroclus is called “Achilles’s Brach” aka “Achilles’s Bitch”

-Renaissance Artists & those onward armed with their skill, knowledge, and obsession with all things ancient painted numerous depictions of the two, usually scenes of Achilles receiving Patroclus’s body, and for “buddies” they sure love painting them showing A LOT of skin

-By roughly the 1960′s & 70′s historians and scholars started talking about them openly again with the

“ARE WE READY TO STOP PLAYIN’ AND OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AS ‘YOU KNOW’”

image

  All joking aside we still have a select number of Historians, Scholars, and Hollywood still holding out:

-What about Briseis!? (see above) they both also do sleep with a woman each but sadly here they are seen more as conquest and war prizes than actual lovers - again there is a fluidity

-Achilles was a HERO! Best of the Greeks -He’s always shown as A MAN’S MAN! YET in a separate myth (see Achilleid) his mother Thetis was able to hide him among a group of girly girls on Skyros to which he was perfectly disguised and has a one night stand with the princess again showing their regard for sexual fluidity. ALSO Do not disrespect that he was a manly hero and a femboy! This also explains how his son comes to be - again this is a completely separate myth and origin

-Could they be cousins!? (NO)

-**Closing Eyes** Homo-erotic? WHERE? “Item Not Found”

-”Well all we can say, there is no source, Homer never explicitly stated that Achilles and Patroclus were a couple or had a sexual relationship that we can find in the source material so… I am choosing to ignore all context and blatant evidence, as well have no heterosexual explanation for them either…  you’re just reading into it too much”:

image

EVERYONE who has a brain and has read The Iliad:

image

As for myself having read the Iliad, studied this Art, History, and Culture, as well as having a BFA; when you know, YOU KNOW. Feel free to share, use this as inspiration to read “The Iliad” if you haven’t already, think critically, and study up on your own!

IN CONCLUSION = THEY GAY & THE OTP !!

(Highly Suggest “The Song of Achilles” as well)

2 years ago

ok wait, reblog if you’ve cried at least once because of math, doesn’t matter which grade i’m trying to prove something 

3 months ago

does anyone else ever think about how in a way “birdie” is the realest name robin swift ever had

9 months ago

Shout out to the autistic who’s abilities have regressed as they’ve gotten older.

“You didn’t used to be like this when you were a kid.” I know please don’t remind me

2 years ago
Seasonal Bows 🌸🌿🍂❄️

Seasonal bows 🌸🌿🍂❄️

2 years ago

help

my little cousin confidently declared that mother nature had a counterpart named daddy electric and i feel like this concept needs to be explored

3 years ago

I'm an aquarius

My best friend is an aquarius

102/10 chaotic, highly recommend

reblog this with your sign and your best friend’s sign because I wanna see

2 years ago
sillyruinscloud - Emer4ld
There Was Not A Single Braincell Amongst The Characters In This Silly Little Show

there was not a single braincell amongst the characters in this silly little show

  • weirddreams
    weirddreams liked this · 1 year ago
  • largedietdrpepper
    largedietdrpepper reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • pomegranate-jr3
    pomegranate-jr3 liked this · 2 years ago
  • unholyrotten
    unholyrotten liked this · 2 years ago
  • jonmartintrash
    jonmartintrash reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • jonmartintrash
    jonmartintrash liked this · 2 years ago
  • nomorenightingaless
    nomorenightingaless liked this · 2 years ago
  • king-aidan-the-artist
    king-aidan-the-artist liked this · 2 years ago
  • thatnerdyqueer
    thatnerdyqueer liked this · 2 years ago
  • demigoddess-of-ghosts
    demigoddess-of-ghosts reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • demigoddess-of-ghosts
    demigoddess-of-ghosts liked this · 2 years ago
  • dalek-101
    dalek-101 reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • dalek-101
    dalek-101 liked this · 2 years ago
  • disenchanteds
    disenchanteds reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • urfav-leprechaun
    urfav-leprechaun reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • awyr-y-nos
    awyr-y-nos reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • awyr-y-nos
    awyr-y-nos liked this · 2 years ago
  • gaymes4life
    gaymes4life reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • bucky-the-squirrel
    bucky-the-squirrel reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • bucky-the-squirrel
    bucky-the-squirrel liked this · 2 years ago
  • 3raccoonsinawhitecoat
    3raccoonsinawhitecoat reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • lonelylikeuhsatellite
    lonelylikeuhsatellite liked this · 2 years ago
  • forgottenwhispersinthedark
    forgottenwhispersinthedark reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • forgottenwhispersinthedark
    forgottenwhispersinthedark liked this · 2 years ago
  • paniniwitharugula
    paniniwitharugula reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • wild-digs
    wild-digs liked this · 2 years ago
  • weirddreams
    weirddreams reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • plutos-planett
    plutos-planett reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • plutos-planett
    plutos-planett liked this · 2 years ago
  • gayjameswilson
    gayjameswilson reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • thatomnipresentorb
    thatomnipresentorb reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • vanweezer
    vanweezer reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • vanweezer
    vanweezer liked this · 2 years ago
  • forthegirlsandtheghosts
    forthegirlsandtheghosts reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • forthehonor0fgreywhales
    forthehonor0fgreywhales liked this · 2 years ago
  • ourdykeofsorrows
    ourdykeofsorrows reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • roozmatazz
    roozmatazz reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • roozmatazz
    roozmatazz liked this · 2 years ago
  • maddogmp3
    maddogmp3 reblogged this · 2 years ago
  • maddogmp3
    maddogmp3 liked this · 2 years ago
sillyruinscloud - Emer4ld
Emer4ld

ACAB | all pronous | transmasc | art student | demiromantic | agender

164 posts

Explore Tumblr Blog
Search Through Tumblr Tags