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gonna get a bit syscourse-y here, but... recently noticed kind of a weird hypocrisy in anti-endo arguments and wanted to point it out to see if others agree

for extra context, i have DID and im pro-endo id say?? my mindset is basically just "i dont get it personally, but live ur life dude(s), its not my business and im not gonna tell u what u are / arent" because like. i find it super hard to believe that DID and OSDD-1 are the ONLY possible causes for systems LOL... also i will be using the terms endo / endogenic as umbrella terms for all plurality outside of DID / OSDD-1 throughout this post

ANYWAYS THOUGHH... most harshly anti-endo spaces (or at least those that are pro-recovery) really emphasise that DID and OSDD-1 are more than just "alter disorders", which i absolutely agree with! DID and OSDD-1 are both complex dissociative disorders that include identity alteration (alters) as a SYMPTOM, but the disorders both fundamentally involve dissociation and impairment in daily life to some extent

BUT... then they are also so quick to say that endos MUST have DID / OSDD-1 if they have alters... but what about all the other symptoms? most endos i have met do not experience dissociation or other DID / OSDD-1 symptoms. claiming someone MUST have DID / OSDD-1 because they have alters would kind of be reducing the disorders down to just "alter disorders", right?

plus, it seems to be entirely ignoring the fact that you can have a symptom of a disorder without having the disorder / being disordered... lets use ADHD as an example here since its the first thing to come to mind LOL, someone can have a short attention span or be distracted easily without inherently having ADHD. it would depend on the presence of other symptoms as well as degree of life impairment. this logic also applies to any other disorder ever... so why dont we apply the same logic to DID / OSDD-1?

most endos i see dont claim DID / OSDD-1, and the ones that do are generally mixed origins. if we apply the logic that symptom ≠ disorder and that DID / OSDD-1 are more than just "alter disorders", why would someone not be able to have alters without a dissociative disorder?

IDK i hope this makes sense. feel free to reblog with any comments or anything i want to see others opinionz

Can we stop saying people with covert DID/OSDD or other covert forms of plurality are privileged? Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t understand how suffering in a way that goes unnoticed is more privileged than suffering in a way that’s noticed.

Both have their ups and downs person-to-person. So what makes one more privileged than the other?

I always find it so interesting what skills which headmates have. Like, Lysander has been so good at using our phone despite being from some historical or fantasy world, but the first time Damian tried to use simply plural he almost threw our phone in rage because he had a ton of trouble typing. He also sent a threatening message to himself which I find hilarious, not sure if it was on purpose or if he was trying to send it to someone else (wish I knew who he had beef with lol).

I can’t get over how good of a depiction of plurality Haru is in the anime abridged show 50% Off. Like, it’s unique, but especially for a joke show it feels so reasonable and grounded, and is really non offensive imo?? There are some jokes about murdering people and one headmate tries to kill another at one point, but it’s not an “evil alter” trope, and the way the inner world, internal conversations, and power structures are set up feel so reasonable (I don’t know exactly how things are organized for my crew, communication is pretty ass at least with me, but if we don’t have a Council of Nine sort of thing I hope we get one someday for decision making and communication). The fact that they’re all copies of the same guy is not something I have experience with but is very very silly and not unreasonable either.

//: can we jjust talk about anti-endos for a second?

//: it’s just like... imagine basically saying to someone, “you aren’t real” “ii don’t believe in your existence and you thinking you exist is harmful”

//: it feels hypocritical. it IS hypocritical. because thats what ssome closed-minded singlets say to traumagenics too, surely

//: just because we didn’t form from trauma doesn’t mean we didn’t form at all.

//: and so what? wwe’re just existing. we aren’t hurting anyone.

//: we understand why anti-endos believe what they do about us, and why they believe us eexisting is harmful to them, but it still isn’t right and it’s still hypocritical. y’know?

Cringe system culture is : oh , you don't like xenogenders ? Ah ! Practically everyone uses one here and we collectively identify as baddoggender ! Oh , you don't like endogenic / non traumagenic ? Ah ! Half of us are endogenic ! And the old host was itself endogenic ! Oh , you don't like neopronouns ? Ah ! We practically all use them and we have some collective neopronouns !

Can we claim 🎖️?

Cringe System Culture Is

Ridiculous that people fakeclaim for this shit when it's like dude if they said it was their roommate y'all would probably believe them.

Just laugh with the rest of us bc it's funny, no need to start discourse over a bathtub filled with instant coffee y'all are just making fools of yourselves

this tweet is insane, my alters aren’t instant coffee in the bathtub fucked up

cringe system culture is having 5 introjects of the same (not a) guy but slightly different each time. it feels like a spot the difference in here. we all hang out in the middle of our headspace void and chat its fun in here

Cringe System Culture Is

We have a separate sort of pocket dimension we call fragspace that's full of loose fragments, and that's generally where headmates form. They're not entirely mindless but they're relatively simple-minded and can generally be reduced to a personality trait or two. They are all managed by two people but it used to be one until we managed to get her to coax some fragments into forming an assistant for her. They're essentially waiting for a "foundation" to build on which is why we have so many introjects, so they kind of do take suggestions. I think it'd be more accurate to say it's an invitation? If I scrolled through a bunch of "build a sysmate" type posts we would probably get a ton of them.

Our original fragment manager is slowly going insane managing what are functionally a bunch of rowdy kids (from the little I've seen and heard at least) and we really need to strongarm her into taking another break... the last person to take over for her barely lasted a few hours.

Since they have basic personalities and tend to think out loud there's somewhat of a way to tell what kind of person they'll be. I remember her saying she stopped some from forming JD (Heathers) because their reasoning was wanting destruction and violence which isn't great.

Kind of wild to think most of us formed like that, since nobody remembers fragspace. Well, no one I've met anyway.

Questions for systems: What's something unique about your system?